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	Comments on: Islamists, State and Bourgeoisie: The Construction Industry in Turkey	</title>
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		By: Ismail Karatepe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ismail Karatepe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the comments. Concerning major and minor remarks, respectively:
1-)  Casual linkages among these three aspects are quite complex and I tend to avoid a sort of complexity reduction that could possibly lead oversimplification. More importantly, in this study I did not deal with structural constraints that enable three aspects. I.e. in order to speak about the linkages increasing role of finance in the construction industry along with the tendencies towards restructuring/recommodifying of urban areas should be analyzed.  
2-) Definitely good point. It rather requires further elaboration.
3-) The motivations of AKP in employing TOKİ on a grand scale: Unfortunately, there are few studies concerning this question, more importantly  their  argumentation line is perfunctory. 
4-) There are ongoing  PhD studies documenting the clientelistic relations. As you also spoke about, some websites including, www.mulksuzlestirme.org are incomplete, however useful. More strikingly, supreme auditing board of the prime ministry (Başbakanlık Yüksek Denetleme Kurulu) implies such networks and the loss of public interest as well. 
And again, thanks for the comments which let me know to where I should confine my attention in the following days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments. Concerning major and minor remarks, respectively:<br />
1-)  Casual linkages among these three aspects are quite complex and I tend to avoid a sort of complexity reduction that could possibly lead oversimplification. More importantly, in this study I did not deal with structural constraints that enable three aspects. I.e. in order to speak about the linkages increasing role of finance in the construction industry along with the tendencies towards restructuring/recommodifying of urban areas should be analyzed.<br />
2-) Definitely good point. It rather requires further elaboration.<br />
3-) The motivations of AKP in employing TOKİ on a grand scale: Unfortunately, there are few studies concerning this question, more importantly  their  argumentation line is perfunctory.<br />
4-) There are ongoing  PhD studies documenting the clientelistic relations. As you also spoke about, some websites including, <a href="http://www.mulksuzlestirme.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mulksuzlestirme.org</a> are incomplete, however useful. More strikingly, supreme auditing board of the prime ministry (Başbakanlık Yüksek Denetleme Kurulu) implies such networks and the loss of public interest as well.<br />
And again, thanks for the comments which let me know to where I should confine my attention in the following days.</p>
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		By: Alper Duman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alper Duman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Karatepe&#039;s topic is interesting. The main aim of the study is to reveal the three developments with regards to the constuction boom in Turkey: (1) Construction as a motor of economic growth,
(2) Active involvement of the governing party, AKP (Justice and Development Party) especially through TOKİ and (3) discretionary/clientelist allocation of construction projects.

I have a major recommendation for the whole study and have three minor remarks with respect to each part.

Karatepe would have much improved the study if he had provided us an argument that links these three parts. For example,
AKP chose to enrich MUSIAD/TUSKON members through public or private construction projects, and hence led to a construction boom
in which TOKİ has played a substantial role. This would be one of these arguments.

Another argument could be as follows: After the 2001 crisis, the industry was down and there was no other sector, but construction to jump start the economy. Once AKP had seen this attempt succeeding, it used TOKİ to further this process and gain also political bonus as it was advertised for housing for the poor. The AKP supporting factions jumped the train later in the game.
As it stands, the three parts are only connected by the context, the consumption boom in Turkey.

Minor Remarks:
As for the first part, it would be better give averages for the whole period in the table. More importantly, it would be better to divide the period into two, 2002-2007 and 2008-2012, for the fact that in the second period the average growth rate of the construction sector is less than the average growth rate of the GDP.

The second part could be improved by discussing the motivations of AKP in employing TOKİ on a grand scale. Votes? Creation of quasi-public employment? Enrichment of supporting factions of the capitalist class?

The third section could be a place to test whether it has been really the case that the beneficiaries were MUSIAD/TUSKON members.
There are websites (www.mulksuzlestirme.org) and some studies on which companies had been for which projects. One can see that rather quite a few of TUSIAD members have enjoyed the fruits of these construction projects.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karatepe&#8217;s topic is interesting. The main aim of the study is to reveal the three developments with regards to the constuction boom in Turkey: (1) Construction as a motor of economic growth,<br />
(2) Active involvement of the governing party, AKP (Justice and Development Party) especially through TOKİ and (3) discretionary/clientelist allocation of construction projects.</p>
<p>I have a major recommendation for the whole study and have three minor remarks with respect to each part.</p>
<p>Karatepe would have much improved the study if he had provided us an argument that links these three parts. For example,<br />
AKP chose to enrich MUSIAD/TUSKON members through public or private construction projects, and hence led to a construction boom<br />
in which TOKİ has played a substantial role. This would be one of these arguments.</p>
<p>Another argument could be as follows: After the 2001 crisis, the industry was down and there was no other sector, but construction to jump start the economy. Once AKP had seen this attempt succeeding, it used TOKİ to further this process and gain also political bonus as it was advertised for housing for the poor. The AKP supporting factions jumped the train later in the game.<br />
As it stands, the three parts are only connected by the context, the consumption boom in Turkey.</p>
<p>Minor Remarks:<br />
As for the first part, it would be better give averages for the whole period in the table. More importantly, it would be better to divide the period into two, 2002-2007 and 2008-2012, for the fact that in the second period the average growth rate of the construction sector is less than the average growth rate of the GDP.</p>
<p>The second part could be improved by discussing the motivations of AKP in employing TOKİ on a grand scale. Votes? Creation of quasi-public employment? Enrichment of supporting factions of the capitalist class?</p>
<p>The third section could be a place to test whether it has been really the case that the beneficiaries were MUSIAD/TUSKON members.<br />
There are websites (www.mulksuzlestirme.org) and some studies on which companies had been for which projects. One can see that rather quite a few of TUSIAD members have enjoyed the fruits of these construction projects.</p>
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		By: Menevis Uzbay Pirili		</title>
		<link>https://turkeyconference2013.weaconferences.net/papers/islamists-state-and-bourgeoisie-the-construction-industry-in-turkey/#comment-14</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Menevis Uzbay Pirili]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2013 08:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In this article the writer  examines the  construction  sector’s boom  in the economy and AKP government’s increasing direct involvent into this sector   since 2002.  One of the important aspects of the paper is its emphasis on  the clientelistic networks  established  between AKP  and  certain capital groups  that are ideologically close to islamist/conservative politics and with a special focus on the  Housing Development Administration of Turkey (TOKI).  I would like to comment on the  impacts of clientelistic networks with regards  their negative impacts on the improvement of liberal democratic  relations in a society.       
As the writer claims,  the government’s   social housing policy (TOKI)  is realized in a clientalist pattern;  in other words , within the  whole period of AKP’s government,  various advantages have been offered to  groups and individuals  within the construction sector  as well as in other sectors, in return for  the clients securing political support for the government. In this way ,  a muslim capitalist class  supporting the government  has been created.  
A clientelistic   regime works within the framework of solidarity within a   community  network (Gemeinsçhaft),  involving  the family, ethnic and  religious identiy that give their support to the governing political  class.  It is clear that clientalism is contrary and detremental to the working of a democratic  society  based on individuals’ freedom.   It is important to point  out that  clientelist relations do have a function and perhaps are  inevitable in premodern  societies where the modern institutions such as  social security,  provision of universal health, judicial  rights etc, don’t exist;  However ,  it is another thing when clientalism is established inorder  to secure support for a particular political group  to maintain its power in government.
Clientelistic relations distributes  privilage   based on community membership and loyalty to the dominant ruling group in government which disadvantages in everyway those  not only in open opposition but also those whose identites are not based on communty membership.  Therefore individuality is undermined and assertion of individual rights and liberties  ignored.  In practice   it has created  a polarization between those who support the governmnet and the rest.   Inother  words those who don’t support the government are created as the other  with all its negative significations. 
On the otherhand  clientalist networks  favoring relations which are based on loyalty and status,  undermine the contract based  relations of  free individuals in  a modern capitalist sociey .  As such it undermines  not only  the formation of social capital  but also creativity  which are  important factors contributing to economic development.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this article the writer  examines the  construction  sector’s boom  in the economy and AKP government’s increasing direct involvent into this sector   since 2002.  One of the important aspects of the paper is its emphasis on  the clientelistic networks  established  between AKP  and  certain capital groups  that are ideologically close to islamist/conservative politics and with a special focus on the  Housing Development Administration of Turkey (TOKI).  I would like to comment on the  impacts of clientelistic networks with regards  their negative impacts on the improvement of liberal democratic  relations in a society.<br />
As the writer claims,  the government’s   social housing policy (TOKI)  is realized in a clientalist pattern;  in other words , within the  whole period of AKP’s government,  various advantages have been offered to  groups and individuals  within the construction sector  as well as in other sectors, in return for  the clients securing political support for the government. In this way ,  a muslim capitalist class  supporting the government  has been created.<br />
A clientelistic   regime works within the framework of solidarity within a   community  network (Gemeinsçhaft),  involving  the family, ethnic and  religious identiy that give their support to the governing political  class.  It is clear that clientalism is contrary and detremental to the working of a democratic  society  based on individuals’ freedom.   It is important to point  out that  clientelist relations do have a function and perhaps are  inevitable in premodern  societies where the modern institutions such as  social security,  provision of universal health, judicial  rights etc, don’t exist;  However ,  it is another thing when clientalism is established inorder  to secure support for a particular political group  to maintain its power in government.<br />
Clientelistic relations distributes  privilage   based on community membership and loyalty to the dominant ruling group in government which disadvantages in everyway those  not only in open opposition but also those whose identites are not based on communty membership.  Therefore individuality is undermined and assertion of individual rights and liberties  ignored.  In practice   it has created  a polarization between those who support the governmnet and the rest.   Inother  words those who don’t support the government are created as the other  with all its negative significations.<br />
On the otherhand  clientalist networks  favoring relations which are based on loyalty and status,  undermine the contract based  relations of  free individuals in  a modern capitalist sociey .  As such it undermines  not only  the formation of social capital  but also creativity  which are  important factors contributing to economic development.</p>
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